Hi everyone,
I can't really take many more of these articles about the plights of women in the global south. I read this story in a text I read for a class that took on looking at gender in a transnational perspective.
In the 80s, white feminists from the US went to a village in Kenya to do humanitarian work. They saw that the women in the village were walking two hours everyday, there and back, in order to get water from a well.Why were the women in the village forced to walk so far in order to get water? The white feminists saw this walk as a result of the systematic oppression of women in the village. So they decided that the money they had for their humanitarian work would be invested in building a well in the village.
Several months later, the women from the US came back to the village in Kenya to see the result of their good work. They found that the women in the village chose to walk the two hours to the well that was farther away everyday even though there was a well close by. Well, it turns out that the two-hour walk everyday was a time when the women of the village could talk amongst themselves. Going to the well close to the village would take away those two hours of camaraderie and socializing.
Misogyny and patriarchy are expressed to varying degrees in different ways in different places. My experience as a white female college student in the United States is unimaginably different from that of a woman in a Kenyan village. Historically, white feminists' efforts to help third world women have often done more damage than good. And who benefits from having a bunch of white feminists way over in in Africa "saving" the women? The white men in offices and in corporations and in their houses who these women would be protesting and giving shit to if they were in the US.
[edit: One commenter ask that I be more specific about what I posted this story in response to. I wanted to give an example of the dangers of white western feminists working in the global south. There are many other examples of these kinds of happenings. I hope that I and other white feminists in the West can have a conciousness of this history in whatever we do. I have to work within a history of white colonists in the global south who were also claiming to "help" the women. I feel that because there are posts in this community about women in the global south, every person here, including myself, should be extremely concious of this history.]
August 20 2007, 07:36:39 UTC 4 years ago
I don't know much about this, but I'd be interested in seeing some examples of these cases of "more damage than good."
August 20 2007, 10:50:22 UTC 4 years ago
As for examples, I'd recommend the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman. I believe the author's name is John Perkins. And I don't have much time to type because I have class soon, so I can't bring up some links now, but here are some examples.
* Forcing Native American children to attend boarding schools in the U.S. I wanna say 1900's and 1800's, but don't quote me there.
* What's going on currently in Australia with the indigineous population being stripped of their income. Supposively, it's to protect the children. Yeah.
* One of the U.S.'s justifications for invading Iraq was to liberate the women there.
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August 21 2007, 00:37:51 UTC 4 years ago
The Links I Promised
Concerning the situation in Australia: http://community.livejournal.com/debunkhttp://community.livejournal.com/debunk
Doing more damage than good (about advertising): http://it.stlawu.edu/~spapson/archive/x
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August 20 2007, 08:46:21 UTC 4 years ago
That said, I don't see anything wrong with staying aware of what is going on for women in other countries. Specifically regarding the last post about India, I think it was made clear that this is a feminist concern being given attention by groups of Indian women.
The case you describe in Kenya was certainly an inappropriate and culturally insensitive/ignorant approach for white American feminists to take. I can see your concern for that issue, but not the problem with posts about global feminist issues--could you maybe cite those you've found problematic specifically?
August 20 2007, 10:04:50 UTC 4 years ago
More examples please, to substantiate your comment.
And oh, I see it a good thing that feminists - among other activists - want to help other people in other nations. Its positive in my book. Of course, it cannot be done in an arrogant way in which the feminists do not look into the issue in an in-depth way.
Azar Nafisi, Liberal Education and the Republic of the imagination
"To fear that you might impose yourself upon others by merely criticizing them is just as bad as the colonials actually imposing themselves on others. It derives from a condescending view of other people. When Ayatollah Khomeini said that all Western women are whores because of the way they look, for example, we did not get so insulted that we wanted to shut him up. Instead, we had so much confidence in ourselves that we did not think he could impose himself upon us. But if we say that Islam does not mean marrying girls at the age of nine, and a Saudi princess tell us, "do not dare criticize our culture, we like it this way," then we are cowed. We become silent. Where does this crude political correctness, this particular form of cultural relativism, come from? If this is allowed in colleges and universities, how does it affect our policy makers, our businesspeople, and the American public in general?"
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For a really amazingly good exposition of this, see:
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That said, I think it's fine to discuss with women things that from your perspective you find problematic, as long as you're willing to acknowledge that she is just as likely to have equally valid critiques of your life based upon her experience. Accept that you are both equally capable of independent thought and being brain washed by your surrounding culture. Listen to each other with open minds. Accept that you might have to agree to disagree, but acknowledge that a deep understanding of another person's world view is incredibly valuable.
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August 20 2007, 13:30:34 UTC 4 years ago
However, I don't believe it is typical of all white efforts in the African nations. But that's because I also believe that everyone has something to benefit from clinics, medical professionals and western medicine. Also, I believe it was discussed here at one time that organizations like Peace Corps require you to live with the people you are helping and make sure that your attitude isn't "let's go help those poor pathetic Africans with our great white power".
However I will agree that not all aid is welcomed, well planned, or needed. This is also ancedotal but I have a friend who is a very devout Christian and was very...well very full of herself because she had an oppretunity to go to a rural, poverty stricken area in an African nation (name escapes me) and teach the word of god to all the little children there. And while some may argue that saving souls is important, I found her to be so arrogant about this that it was disgusting. Why was saving souls a higher priority than helping with irrigation equipment, or building solar cookers or helping take care of children at orphanages or helping out in a women's clinic? Or you know, using her teaching degree to teach children mathmatics or reading?
August 20 2007, 13:32:51 UTC 4 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cook
And if you would like white US femminists to scream about something, let's talk about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_Cit
August 20 2007, 15:18:16 UTC 4 years ago
It's also an issue that I don't think I have the background to really discuss, as I haven't read much postcolonial theory, so I'm going to shut up now. But it's definitely something I struggle with, and need to read more about.
In fact, I would appreciate any suggestions of articles I might check out.
August 20 2007, 17:44:16 UTC 4 years ago
1. Question "culturally acceptable". Are there feminist/womanist/activists within the culture looking to change the practice? For instance, I recall reading a while back something about a conference (I think?) where a number of Islamic leaders condemn the practice of FGM. A bit tired at the moment, so I don't recall the details. I'll see if I can find the article on it later today.
2. Understand context. Why something is done, what factors are influencing it, what role does the U.S./Western countries in general play, if a white or Western reporter is bringing light to the issue what are their motivations, does the report have all the facts correct.
3. Know that there are many issues/practices/what have you that are done in western countries, even if they go by a different name. Example: surgery preformed on the genitalia of intersexed infants in the Unite States.
August 20 2007, 18:49:22 UTC 4 years ago
I recall reading a while back something about a conference (I think?) where a number of Islamic leaders condemn the practice of FGM
Also the practice was recently banned in Egypt.
surgery preformed on the genitalia of intersexed infants in the Unite States.
Yeah, this is a huge issue. As is the issue of circumsizing men in the west, which I think also amounts to mutilation. I'm definitely not trying to present american culture as more enlightened or progressive than anyone else.
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(If you don't have access to Jstore, I can email it to you)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co
August 21 2007, 21:28:44 UTC 4 years ago
Uma Narayan has some great things to say about how Global South feminists are always considered "inauthentic" and are accused of being "Westernized" whenever they bring up their issues with cultural practices (which are framed as being integral to national/ethnic character, even when they aren't really that widespread).
August 21 2007, 22:29:04 UTC 4 years ago
Criticisms of the Women in Development and Gender and Development approaches cover this nicely, as well as postcolonical, postcolonial feminist, Third World feminists, etc critiques. I think many white feminists didn't know their work would serve to benefit the "evil empire"; most people don't go into development work thinking "I'm going to be a Western-centered imbecile whose work will cripple the local population with whom I work and bend their minds and bodies to the whims of the World Bank/Shell/US/whomever you can think of to put here." At least the word is out now, hopefully changes can be made accordingly. I think there is still a place for the North in the development process, if the arrogant "we always know best" attitude is dropped. However, how this role may play out is the subject of much debate in the wide range of development literature and could be rather complicated.