Maree ([info]lifeisacabaret) wrote in [info]feminist,
2006-09-15 13:03:00
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[info]kerridwyn

September 15 2006, 20:09:35 UTC 5 years ago

"They wouldn't do that to us,"

They have my prayers that they're right. Violent men should be avoided completely.

[info]donnaidh_sidhe

September 15 2006, 22:57:54 UTC 5 years ago

That was my first reaction.

[info]goodlookinout

September 15 2006, 20:27:19 UTC 5 years ago

Lysistrata, anyone?

[info]radiant_bitch

September 15 2006, 20:29:58 UTC 5 years ago

Exactly what I was thinking!!!
Soon all the bangers are gong to be running around with giant phalli!

For those who don't know...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata

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[info]ebay313

September 15 2006, 21:57:05 UTC 5 years ago

I was thinking of that too.
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[info]stratyllis

September 15 2006, 20:34:59 UTC 5 years ago

I don't see how withholding sex to manipulate someone is feminist.

[info]lifeisacabaret

September 15 2006, 20:49:24 UTC 5 years ago

Are you suggesting this post is irrelevant to the community? I am not sure what your point is here.

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[info]angelvomit

September 15 2006, 20:40:43 UTC 5 years ago

Why don't the women not date gang members instead?

[info]kerridwyn

September 15 2006, 20:43:28 UTC 5 years ago

...because when he's not killing people, he's really sweet.

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[info]circulaire

September 15 2006, 21:01:32 UTC 5 years ago

interesting... i like how they said they wrote their own rap song.

[info]ebay313

September 15 2006, 22:07:27 UTC 5 years ago

Women's entire worth and power should not revolve around sex.
And I'm not trying to criticize the women here, they are trying to end violence with the only power society gives them.

[info]ebay313

September 15 2006, 22:12:31 UTC 5 years ago

Erm, I guess I kind of ended that early. My point is, what they are trying to do (end violence) is a good thing, the route the are taking may not be a good one but the problem is that societies value women in terms of sexuality, not these particular women.

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[info]la_musicologue

September 15 2006, 23:33:45 UTC 5 years ago

If anything it makes me sad that sex is really the only power these women have, and it has to be psychologically damaging to know "I'm worth nothing if I can't be of sexual service to a man."

Asking "Is this feminist?" is sort of a multi-answer question. Is it feminist in the Western, able-bodied, white, middle-class way? Probably not. Is it feminist in the local sense? Perhaps. For us to sit up and pass judgement is reprehensible, and frankly, not feminist at all.

FYI, I just deleted this same comment verbatim b/c the icon that mysteriously popped up was rather inappropriate, in my opinion. I didn't want to include that w/ my post, given the subject matter. Mods, sorry!

[info]0xmahliax0

September 16 2006, 15:28:28 UTC 5 years ago

ITA. What "feminist action" means in one place may be very different in another place. Is that so hard to understand? All women all around the world do not hold the same amount of power (if any!), so how are they supposed to try and change their lives? They can try and change them by the ways that work best for them in their particular country, neighborhood, economic level, family situation etc.

I live in a particular environment here in the US, one in which it is relatively easy for me to pick and choose which actions I want to participate in that will make any amount of difference in my life as a woman. I think a lot of people in similar situations take those choices for granted.

[info]ktempest

September 17 2006, 00:23:46 UTC 5 years ago

I heart you. Exactly right.

[info]tikae

September 17 2006, 02:29:18 UTC 5 years ago

Is there anything women do that it's okay for feminists to pass judgment on?

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[info]drunkenatheist

September 19 2006, 02:40:11 UTC 5 years ago

Mod hat

No problem!

We don't take issue with members deleting comments based on typos (which I kinda consider that falling under) as long as they note it in the comment. :)

[info]violachic

September 15 2006, 23:44:05 UTC 5 years ago

I posted this in in my own journal, and several folks immediately responded that they hoped the husbands/boyfriends didn't resort to rape to get sex. I was really offended by that, but I can't tell you exactly why. I'm not going to touch the argument above with a fifty-foot pole, but I will say that I support these women in their strike. The violence-reduction/human rights organization I work with has been in Colombia for the last five years, I have a huge interest in watching how these events unfold.

[info]bastardinlove

September 16 2006, 00:38:28 UTC 5 years ago

I think what offended you was the idea that rape comes from sexual desire/lack of sex. I understand what you're saying and agree that the idea is an offensive one.

However, I think in this case the fear is justified. These men are used to gaining things by violence and intimidation. Let's hope they don't apply that to sex.

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[info]evil_laugher

September 16 2006, 00:08:08 UTC 5 years ago

Don't think it'll work, but, ehh, power to them. Violent people aren't necessarily rapists, so here's hoping that their boyfriends aren't really "like that".

On another note, "Lysistrata" was a comedy that made fun of how sex-crazed women were. They could barely hold out during the strike.

[info]kristiangrrl

September 16 2006, 01:42:13 UTC 5 years ago

Hehe, yes, but the men didn't fare better in the situation, either. Aristophanes achieved what the internet would call a "double snark."

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[info]yseultaine

September 16 2006, 01:42:57 UTC 5 years ago

I know everyone else is thinking about lysistrata, but when I read about the rap song I immediatly thought about Roxanne.

[info]bestdaywelived

September 16 2006, 15:39:17 UTC 5 years ago

That, IMO, is amazing.

[info]trufflepig

September 16 2006, 21:43:50 UTC 5 years ago

and wonderful and extraordinary and brilliant :]

[info]futurebird

September 17 2006, 01:27:51 UTC 5 years ago

I don't think this is for real. It's just too...Greek.
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